Over a lifetime of investing we’re going to see a lot of things happen. The more obvious events will likely be the continual bull and bear markets that have occurred in the past and I wouldn’t bet on not occurring in the future. Filter the noise by correcting for the continual devaluation of money via inflation then plot on a log chart and they’re clear to see for both the US and the UK.
I’m not old enough to have invested through all the FTSE100 cycles shown and I’m certainly not old enough to have invested through all the S&P 500 (or it’s predecessors) cycles that are visible. Instead I started investing seriously in late 2007 so my early days saw the global financial crisis but I’ve then been able to ride that bull wave. Today that bull wave has resulted in valuations such as the Price Earnings Ratio (P/E) or even the Cyclically Adjusted Price Earnings Ratio (CAPE) looking high compared to history. The P/E for the S&P 500 is 26.3 against a long run average of 16.0 and the CAPE is 28.7 against a long run average of 16.7. The FTSE 100 is in a slightly different state, albeit measured against a data set with a different duration. It’s P/E today is a silly 30.7 against a long run average of 17.2 while the CAPE is 15.2 against a long run average of 18.0.
These valuations have excited the talking heads with both Merryn Somerset Webb and Ken Fisher now starting to talk about valuations.
My approach to all this is to just keep calm and carry on. I’m continuing to buy the worst performing asset class when money is available and if I hit a rebalancing band I’ll do exactly that. This is for 2 reasons. Firstly, I have no chance of being able to time the markets. By not trying to time them and instead just continuing to save and invest I’ve seen this miracle occur:
Secondly, I’ve also seen the all too rarely talked about dividend miracle occur:
The benefit of just keeping your head down, ignoring the noise and carrying on was also brought home to me this week as I was looking at my historical wealth priced in EUR’s. It’s no secret that the Brexit vote significantly devalued GBP when measured against the EUR. In amongst all that noise I didn’t panic and just stuck at it resulting in my EUR wealth increasing by EUR137k since the Brexit vote. That wealth increase has enabled my Mediterranean plan to become even less risky than it was all because of my approach.
Keep calm and carry on certainly seems to be working for me.
As always DYOR.
Click to enlarge, Monthly real S&P500 price
Click to enlarge, Monthly real FTSE100 price
I’m not old enough to have invested through all the FTSE100 cycles shown and I’m certainly not old enough to have invested through all the S&P 500 (or it’s predecessors) cycles that are visible. Instead I started investing seriously in late 2007 so my early days saw the global financial crisis but I’ve then been able to ride that bull wave. Today that bull wave has resulted in valuations such as the Price Earnings Ratio (P/E) or even the Cyclically Adjusted Price Earnings Ratio (CAPE) looking high compared to history. The P/E for the S&P 500 is 26.3 against a long run average of 16.0 and the CAPE is 28.7 against a long run average of 16.7. The FTSE 100 is in a slightly different state, albeit measured against a data set with a different duration. It’s P/E today is a silly 30.7 against a long run average of 17.2 while the CAPE is 15.2 against a long run average of 18.0.
Click to enlarge, S&500 CAPE, Shiller PE or PE10
Click to enlarge, FTSE100 CAPE, Shiller PE or PE10
These valuations have excited the talking heads with both Merryn Somerset Webb and Ken Fisher now starting to talk about valuations.
My approach to all this is to just keep calm and carry on. I’m continuing to buy the worst performing asset class when money is available and if I hit a rebalancing band I’ll do exactly that. This is for 2 reasons. Firstly, I have no chance of being able to time the markets. By not trying to time them and instead just continuing to save and invest I’ve seen this miracle occur:
Click to enlarge, My wealth growth since 2007
Secondly, I’ve also seen the all too rarely talked about dividend miracle occur:
Click to enlarge, My annual dividend growth since 2007
Click to enlarge, My wealth measured in GBP and EUR
Keep calm and carry on certainly seems to be working for me.
As always DYOR.
"Carry on" is likelier to suit someone investing every month, especially someone with earning power in the job market, than someone who has retired and is keen to invest so that he, or more likely his widow, doesn't suffer poverty in old Old Age.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to reading about your experiences in retirement, assuming I live long enough.
I'm not sure I agree with that dearieme but I'm also not there yet so we'll see how that works psychologically. If you don't hold the line and just rebalance (maybe even by selling the out performing asset classes to live off and by continuing to reinvest any spare dividends in the under performers) both your risk profile will change with time and you also risk under performance by being out of the market at the wrong times, trading expenses etc.
DeleteWhat would I care about underperformance? It's not a competition.
DeleteYou typically care about underperformance if it has the ramification of materially affecting your quality of life at some point
Deletewhat the hell happened to your dividends between 2013 and 2014!
ReplyDeleteMy last offshore active fund, which I can't sell for tax reasons, decided in both 2014 and to a lesser extent in 2015 to pay a huge amount of 'unsustainable' dividends. There was never an explanation as to why but it wasn't great from my side as I just paid tax on them.
DeleteWhile I wouldn't disagree that US stocks are materially overvalued, I don't believe that's true of UK ones. The high P/E ratio of the FTSE100 is skewed by the huge falls in profits in energy and other resources firms resulting from the decline in commodity prices last year and some resulting impairment charges. CAPE, which takes a multi-year view, suggests that our domestic market may be modestly underpriced compared with the long-run average.
ReplyDeleteKeep calm and carry on! That's my plan!.
ReplyDeleteI've never really got my head around investments, but I enjoyed reading what you have to say
Good to see that it is coming along well. :) Very impressive dividend income!
ReplyDeleteThe S&P 500 only started in 1957 but your graph shows it since 1880.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500_Index
Yes, the western markets are all looking fairly richly valued right now. For some diversification you might want to consider: Russia (P/E 9), Vietnam (P/E 13), Brazil (14), and Argentina (can't find the PE but I know it's currently cheap).
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